Wednesday, August 24, 2016

Governors, Viceroys and Captains General of India or Portuguese India, from c. 1500 to c. 1650

1) Genealogy, concerning the King of Spain during US War of Independence, Carlos III · 2) Perhaps I should have written abavi instead of atavi in previous ... · 3) Back into the Middle Ages · 4) How Many Died Young Around 1500? · 5) Governors, Viceroys and Captains General of India or Portuguese India, from c. 1500 to c. 1650

In 1509 to 1515, the charge lay on Afonso de Albuquerque, of whom there is an article on Mad Monarchist:

The Mad Monarchist : Soldier of Monarchy: Afonso de Albuquerque

Francisco de Almeida
(ca. 1450 – 1 March 1510)

Afonso de Albuquerque
(c. 1453 – 16 December 1515)

1515 - 1518
Lopo Soares de Albergaria
(Lisbon, c. 1460 – Torres Vedras, c. 1520)

1518 - 1522
Diogo Lopes de Sequeira

1522 - 1524
Duarte de Menezes
(before 1488 - after 1539)

September−December 1524
Vasco da Gama
( c. 1460s – 24 December 1524)

1524 — 1526
Henrique de Meneses
(Lisboa, c. 1496 — Cananor, 2 de fevereiro de 1526)

1526 to 1529
Lopo Vaz de Sampaio
(c. 1480 - 1534)

18 November 1529 September 1538
Nuno da Cunha
(c. 1487 – March 5, 1539)

14 September 1538 April 1540
Garcia de Noronha
(1479 in Lisbon – 3 April 1540 in Goa)

3 April 1540 May 1542
Estêvão da Gama
(ca. 1505–1576)

8 May 1542 1545
Martim Afonso de Sousa
(c. 1500 – 21 July 1564)

10 September 1545 June 1548
João de Castro
(7 February 1500 – 6 June 1548)

6 June 1548 June 1549
Garcia de Sá
(Porto, ca. 1486 — Goa, 13 de Junho de 1549)

13 June 1549 November 1550
Jorge Cabral
(1500 — ????)

1550 — 1554
Dom Afonso de Noronha
(1510 — ????)

23 September 1554 June 1555
Pedro Mascarenhas
(1470 – 16 June 1555)

16 June 1555 September 1558
Francisco Barreto
(occasionally Francisco de Barreto, 1520 – July 9, 1573)

8 September 1558 September 1561
Constantino of Braganza

7 September 1561 19 February 1564
Francisco Coutinho
(1517 — Goa, 19 de fevereiro de 1564)

19 February 1564 September 1564
João de Mendonça Furtado
(1530 — Batalha de Alcácer-Quibir, 4 de Agosto de 1578)

3 September 1564 September 1568
Antão de Noronha
(1520 — 1569)

10 September 1568 September 1571
& 31 August 1578 March 1581
D. Luís de Ataíde, 3.º conde de Atouguia e primeiro e único marquês de Santarém,
(1517 - 10 de março de 1580 em Goa)

6 September 1571 December 1573
António de Noronha o Catarraz
(1510 — 1574)

9 December 1573 September 1576
António Moniz Barreto
(1530 — Lisboa, 1600)

Rui Lourenço de Távora
(c.1490 - perto da Ilha de Moçambique, 1576)

September 1576 August 1578
Diogo de Meneses
(c. 1520 - Cascais, 2 de agosto de 1580)

31 August 1578 March 1581
see above

March 1581 September 1581
Fernão Teles de Meneses
(Santarém, 1530 — Lisboa, 26 de novembro de 1605)

1581 1584
Francisco de Mascarenhas
(c. 1530 - 4 de setembro de 1608)

1584 4 May 1588
Duarte de Meneses
(Tânger, 6 de dezembro de 1537 – Goa, 4 de maio de 1588)

May 1588 1591
Manuel de Sousa Coutinho
(b. 1540 - d. 1591)

1591 1597
Matias de Albuquerque
(1547 — 1609)

1597 1600
& 1622 1628
Francisco da Gama, 4.º Conde da Vidigueira
(1565 — Oropesa, julho de 1632)

1600 1605
Aires de Saldanha
(Santarém, Portugal, May 10th of 1542 - Terceira, August 19th of 1605)

1605 June 1607
D. Martim Afonso de Castro
(falecido em Malaca, 3 de junho de 1607)

June 1607 1609
Archbishop Aleixo de Menezes
or Alexeu de Jesu de Meneses
(25 January 1559 – 3 May 1617)

André Furtado de Mendonça
(1558 – April 1, 1611)

1609 1612
Rui Lourenço de Távora
(1556 — 19 de junho de 1616)

1612 1617
Jerónimo de Azevedo
(1540 – Lisbon, 1625)

1617 1619
João Coutinho
(c. 1540 - 10 de novembro de 1619)

Jerónimo Coutinho
(cerca de 1545 - ????)

Afonso de Noronha
(c. 1550 - depois de 1627, Madrid)

1619 1622
Fernão de Albuquerque
(Barcelos, Martim, 1540 — 29 de janeiro de 1623)

1622 1628
see above

1628 July 1629
Frei Luís de Brito e Meneses, OSA
(cerca de 1570 — Cochim, 29 de julho de 1629)

Governing Council
Nuno Álvares Botelho
(Aldeia Galega do Ribatejo, 1590 - Samatra, 5 de Maio de 1631)

c. D. Lourenço da Cunha e
Gonçalo Pinto da Fonseca

1629 1635
Dom Miguel de Noronha, 4.º Conde de Linhares
(1585 — Madri, 1647)

1635 June 1639
Pero da Silva ou Pedro da Silva
(cerca de 1580 — Goa, 24 de junho de 1639)

1639 1640
António Teles de Meneses, 1.º Conde de Vila Pouca de Aguiar
(cerca de 1600 — julho de 1657)

1640 1644
João da Silva Telo e Meneses, 1.º Conde de Aveiras
(cerca de 1600 — Moçambique, 1651)

1644 1651
Filipe de Mascarenhas
(1580 — ?)

30c41 47 47 48 48 49 51c51c51+51 51 53 53 54c57c58 59c59c60c60 60 60
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
61 62 62 62 63 63 63 63c64 64c64c65 67 70 71+71c75 77+78c79 85 85 86
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46

They were 46 men, and three of unknown age other than those, I avoided a fourth by counting him (Filipe de Mascarenhas) as 71+.

Minimum is c. 30, maximum is 86, median is 60/61.
Lower quartile is 51, higher quartile is 65.

The number of "c." as for circus is high and outweighs the somewhat fewer number of +.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Bartholomew

Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Did the Medievals Think of the Earth as "Most Central" or as Lowest?

C. S. Lewis in his The Discarded Image (see below), cites one Chalcidius as saying that the Earth was put into the centre of the Universe so that angels could have something to dance around. But apart from that, there is a clear tradition of calling Earth "low".


2. On the first day Ge 1:1-5 of the world, on Sunday, October 23rd, God created the highest heaven and the angels. When he finished, as it were, the roof of this building, he started with the foundation of this wonderful fabric of the world. He fashioned this lower most globe, consisting of the deep and of the earth. Therefore all the choir of angels sang together and magnified his name. Job 38:7 When the earth was without form and void and darkness covered the face of the deep, God created light on the very middle of the first day. God divided this from the darkness and called the one "day" and the other "night".

The Annals of the Old Testament
from the Beginning of the World

The First Age of the World

la AM, 710 JP, 4004 BC

St Thomas:

I answer that, Even as in bodies there is gravity or levity whereby they are borne to their own place which is the end of their movement, so in souls there is merit or demerit whereby they reach their reward or punishment, which are the ends of their deeds. Wherefore just as a body is conveyed at once to its place, by its gravity or levity, unless there be an obstacle, so too the soul, the bonds of the flesh being broken, whereby it was detained in the state of the way, receives at once its reward or punishment, unless there be an obstacle. Thus sometimes venial sin, though needing first of all to be cleansed, is an obstacle to the receiving of the reward; the result being that the reward is delayed. And since a place is assigned to souls in keeping with their reward or punishment, as soon as the soul is set free from the body it is either plunged into hell or soars to heaven, unless it be held back by some debt, for which its flight must needs be delayed until the soul is first of all cleansed. This truth is attested by the manifest authority of the canonical Scriptures and the doctrine of the holy Fathers; wherefore the contrary must be judged heretical as stated in Dial. iv, 25, and in De Eccl. Dogm. xlvi.

Summa Theologiae, Question 69. Matters concerning the resurrection, and first of the place where souls are after death
Article 2. Whether souls are conveyed to heaven or hell immediately after death?
Corpus of article.

Note that earth and water are heavy and drawn to Earth / to its centre, and likewise sinful souls are heavy.


While the Mind was thus uttering his plaint and singing this song, Philosophy (that is to say, Reason) watching him with a cheerful eye, in no wise cast down for his melancholy, and she said unto him, 'No sooner did I see thee lamenting thus and sorrowing than I perceived that thou hadst departed from thy native home--that is to say, from my teachings. Thou didst depart from it when thou didst forsake thy firm belief, and bethink thee that Fate ruled this world at her own pleasure, respectless of God's will or leave, or of the deeds of man. I knew that thou hadst departed therefrom, but how far I knew not, until thou thyself didst make all clear to me in thy song of sorrow. But though thou hast indeed wandered farther than ever, yet art thou not utterly banished from thine home, though far astray. No one else hath led thee into error; 'twas thyself alone, by thine own heedlessness; nor would any man be led to expect this of thee if thou wouldst but remember thy birth and citizenship as the world goes, or again, according to the spirit, of what fellowship thou wast in mind and understanding; for thou art one of the righteous and upright in purpose, that are citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. From hence, that is, from his righteous purpose, no man is ever banished save he himself so chooseth. Wheresoever he be, he hath that ever with him, and having it he is with his own kin and his own fellow-citizens in his own hand, being in the company of the righteous. Whosoever then is worthy to be in their service hath perfect freedom.

'Nor do I shun this lowly and this foul dwelling, if only I find thee wise, nor do I care for walls wrought of gold, as I care for a righteous will in thee. What I seek here is not books, but that which understands books, to wit, thy mind. Very rightly didst thou lament the injustice of Fate, both in the exalted power of the unrighteous and in mine own dishonour and neglect, and in the licence of the wicked as regards the prosperity of this world. But as both thine indignation and thy grief have made thee so desponding, I may not answer thee till the time be come. For whatsoever man shall begin untimely hath no perfect ending.

The Consolation of Philosophy
translated by Walter John Sedgefield ch. V

Note that Philosophy or Reason (i e what Boethius really thought about things when thinking undisturbed, as opposed to his violent queries while in prison calls the abode of Boethius "lowly" and "foul". Perhaps the prison cell was indeed foul, I prefer to think not so, but "lowly" conveys that he is thinking from the perspective of a celestial being finding such and such remarks to be made about a place on ... Earth.


I lifted up mine eyes and thought to see
Lucifer in the same way I had left him;
And I beheld him upward hold his legs.

And if I then became disquieted,
Let stolid people think who do not see
What the point is beyond which I had passed.

"Rise up," the Master said, "upon thy feet;
The way is long, and difficult the road,
And now the sun to middle-tierce returns."

It was not any palace corridor
There where we were, but dungeon natural,
With floor uneven and unease of light.

"Ere from the abyss I tear myself away,
My Master," said I when I had arisen,
"To draw me from an error speak a little;

Where is the ice? and how is this one fixed
Thus upside down? and how in such short time
From eve to morn has the sun made his transit?"

And he to me: "Thou still imaginest
Thou art beyond the centre, where I grasped
The hair of the fell worm, who mines the world.

That side thou wast, so long as I descended;
When round I turned me, thou didst pass the point
To which things heavy draw from every side,

And now beneath the hemisphere art come
Opposite that which overhangs the vast
Dry-land, and 'neath whose cope was put to death

The Man who without sin was born and lived.
Thou hast thy feet upon the little sphere
Which makes the other face of the Judecca.

Here it is morn when it is evening there;
And he who with his hair a stairway made us
Still fixed remaineth as he was before.

Inferno, Canto XXXIV
translated by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

So, obviously, Dante thought Lucifer was in the bary-centre of the Earth.

The Discarded Image:

We have already seen that all below the Moon is mutable and contingent. We have also seen that each of the celestial spheres is guided by an Intelligence. Since Earth does not move and therefore needs no guidance, it was not generally felt that an Intelligence need be assigned to her. It was left, so far as I know, for Dante to make the brilliant suggestion that she has one after all and that this terrestrial Intelligence is none other than Fortune.

P. 139

This to answer a question like "if all planets have guiding spirits, is Satan that of Earth?" with a resounding no!

The implications of a spherical Earth were fully grasped. What we call gravitation-for the medievals ' kindly enclyning '-was a matter of common knowledge. Vincent of Beauvais expounds it by asking what would happen if there were a hole bored through the globe of Earth so that there was a free passage from the one sky to the other, and someone dropped a stone down it. He answers that it would come to rest at the centre. 1 Temperature and momentum, I understand, would lead to a different result in fact, but Vincent is clearly right in principle.

P. 141

This to answer the pretence that CSL wrote the work to denigrate Catholicism and the Medieval world - a little lower is where I got the reference to Dante from.

At Luna we cross in our descent the great frontier which I have so often had to mention; from aether to air, from ' heaven' to 'nature', from the realm of gods (or angels) to that of daemons, from the realm of necessity to that of contingence, from the incorruptible to the corruptible. Unless this ' great divide' is firmly fixed in our minds, every passage in Donne or Drayton or whom you will that mentions ' translunary' and ' sublunary' will lose its intended force. We shall take ' under the moon' as a vague synonym, like our ' under the sun', for ' everywhere', when in reality it is used with precision.

P. 108

Now we are getting at it. The superlunary realm is clearly nobler than the sublunary realm.

He cites Macrobius and Milton:

Thus, though civilisation in most parts of the Earth is always comparatively recent, the universe has always existed (n, x). If Macrobius describes its formation in terms which imply time, this must be taken merely as a convenience of discourse. Whatever was purest and most limpid (liquidissimum) rose to the highest place and was called aether. That which had less purity and some small degree of weight became air and sank to the second level. That which had still some fluidity but was gross (corpulentum) enough to offer tactual resistance, was gathered together into the stream of water. Finally, out of the whole tumult of matter all that was irreclaimable (vastum) was scraped off and cleansed from the (other) elements (ex defaecatis abrasum elementis), and sank down and settled at the lowest point, plunged in binding and unending cold (I, xxii). Earth is in fact the ' offscourings of creation' , the cosmic dust-bin. This passage may also throw light on one in Milton. In Paradise Lost, vn, the Son has just marked out the spherical area of the Universe with His golden compasses (225). Then the spirit of God

downward purg' d
The black tartareous cold infernal dregs. (237)

Verity takes this to mean that He expelled them from the spherical area, purging them ' down' into chaos, which in Milton, for certain purposes, has an absolute up and down. But ' down' might equally well mean towards the centre of the cosmic sphere, and ' dregs ' would exactly fit the conception of Macrobius.

PP. 62 f.

Macrobius was - unless CSL totally misunderstood the Middle Ages, which I don't think - very seminal for the Middle Ages. Milton (whom I admit to not having read) was, if not totally Medieval, at least largely so, and through poetical purpose more so and less Newtonian than he could have been if he had been in the business of Newton rather than that of Milton.

Note that the ONE voice here against Earth being all around the very bottom of the universe is Ussher who seems to be Flat Earth, thinking the central globe is a water globe with Earth being on one of its surfaces, like a plane - to him Hell was probably below the Earth plane.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Vigil of St Bartholomew Apostle

Monday, August 8, 2016

Recommended Reading : How the Holy Cross was Found

How The Holy Cross Was Found: From Event to Medieval Legend - with an appendix of texts
(Bibliotheca Theologiae Practicae - Kyrkovetenskapliga studier 47) Paperback – 1991
by Stephan Borgehammar (Author)

Bear in Bible Prophecy - Persia or Russia?

Some say "traditionally it was Persia, so it's Persia".

Some say "Russia is the major bear ensign right now, so it's Russia".

I say Russia just got an extra point. Ancient Persia reached into modern Russia:

Darius I stele found in southern Russia may become world sensation
Science & Space
August 05, 4:32 UTC+3

KRASNODAR, August 4. /TASS/. Archeologists doing excavations in the area of antique town of Phanagoria in the Temryuk district of Russia’s southern Krasnodar territory have discovered fragments of a marble stele carrying an inscription of the ancient Persian King Darius I, the press service of the Volnoye Delo foundation said in a press release on Thursday.

So, a Persian king erected a victory stele in Krasnodar?

Well, Krasnodar is in Biblical Persia, then!

Other indication of connexion: in Russian fairy tales, Ivan Czarewic regularly travels through "29 kingdoms and 30 countries" before reaching his goal - usually without linguistic problems.

29 - 30 satrapies were there in the Acamenide Empire. In all of them, Ancient Persian could be used without trouble.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris XV
St Severus of Vienne

Tuesday, July 26, 2016

Red Cross Report invoked no proof against large numbers of killed

August 6, 2015 Teena Gee

In some ways prone to revisionism myself, I am also prone to prune bad arguments.

I cite:

Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301.

What kind of "death toll"?

Well, it is about people who died. Not about people who got killed (which involves dying too), but about people who died.

An execution would hardly be a Sterbefall and it would not be a doctor who said "the man is dead" or "the men are dead". In an execution followed by a cremation, or a mass execution followed by a cremation, one could of course be VERY sure the people were dead even without asking a doctor to say so.

The number 271,301 is about "Sterbefälle". Someone got electrocuted against a barbed wire or someone died in typhus - that WOULD be noted here. Someone got shot and then cremated or someone (if it ever happened) got gassed and then cremated, that WOULD NOT be noted here.

The Red Cross had collected the doctors' attestations of Sterbefälle. And those very certainly DO add up to 271,301. I don't think anyone who was a die-hard of the official thesis of mass gassings would dispute that.

The freelancer Jim Stone (ultimate source for misunderstanding) has missed what Sterbefall means in German or why doctors would be pronouncing anything. Sterbefälle doesn't mean "total deaths" (including by killing), it means "total of those who went off and died".

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Anne, Grandmother of God

Monday, July 18, 2016

How Many Died Young Around 1500?

1) Genealogy, concerning the King of Spain during US War of Independence, Carlos III · 2) Perhaps I should have written abavi instead of atavi in previous ... · 3) Back into the Middle Ages · 4) How Many Died Young Around 1500? · 5) Governors, Viceroys and Captains General of India or Portuguese India, from c. 1500 to c. 1650

In previous posts, as ancestors have been the statistic for lifespans, those dying young have been not counted.

In this post, I intend to take two generations from the post Back Into the Middle Ages, first parents (parentes), then grandparents (avi), of which the latter is incomplete. In both cases, look up the man and see what offspring they had - this usually counts also children dying young.


Charles, Duke of Vendôme - On 18 May 1513, he married Françoise d'Alençon, daughter of René, Duke of Alençon.[3] They had thirteen children:

  • Louis de Bourbon (1514–1516), died in infancy.
  • Marie de Bourbon (1515–1538), unmarried, prospective bride of James V of Scotland in 1536.
  • Marguerite de Bourbon (1516–1589), married 1538 Francis I of Cleves, Duke of Nevers (1516–1561).
  • Antoine de Bourbon, Duke of Vendôme (1518–1562).
  • François de Bourbon, Count of Enghien (1519–1546), unmarried.
  • Madeleine de Bourbon (1521–1561), Abbess of Sainte-Croix de Poitiers.
  • Louis de Bourbon (1522–1525), died in infancy.
  • Charles de Bourbon (1523–1590), Archbishop of Rouen.
  • Catherine de Bourbon (1525–1594), Abbess of Soissons.
  • Renée de Bourbon (1527–1583), Abbess of Chelles.
  • Jean de Bourbon, Count of Soissons and Enghien (1528–1557), married 1557 his first cousin Marie, Duchess of Estouteville (1539–1601).
  • Louis de Bourbon, Prince of Condé (1530–1569), married Eléonore de Roye.
  • Léonore de Bourbon (1532–1611), Abbess of Fontevraud (1532–1611).

Henry II of Navarre, Born 18 April 1503 Sangüesa - In 1526, he married Margaret of Angoulême[2] who became known as Marguerite de Navarre (11 April 1492- 21 December 1549) and had issue:

  • Joan III of Navarre (16 November 1528 – 9 June 1572), mother of Henry IV of France
  • John (7 July 1530 - 25 December 1530)

Francis, Duke of Guise - Guise married Anna d'Este, daughter of Ercole II d'Este, Duke of Ferrara, and Renée of France, in Saint-Germain-en-Laye on 29 April 1548. They had seven children:

  • Henry I, Duke of Guise (1550–1588), who succeeded him as Duke of Guise.
  • Catherine (18 July 1552, Joinville – 6 May 1596, Paris), married on 4 February 1570 Louis, Duke of Montpensier
  • Charles of Lorraine, Duke of Mayenne (1554–1611)
  • Louis II, Cardinal of Guise (1555–1588), Archbishop of Reims
  • Antoine (25 April 1557 – 16 January 1560)
  • François (31 December 1559, Blois – 24 October 1573, Reims)
  • Maximilien (25 October 1562–1567)

Honorat II of Savoy, marquis of Villars - In 1540 he married Jeanne Françoise de Foix, viscountess of Castillon (†1542), with whom he only had one child, Henriette de Savoie-Villars († 1611), who married Charles, Duke of Mayenne.


Francis, Count of Vendôme, - In 1487, he married Marie de Luxembourg,[2] the widow of Jacques of Savoy, Count of Romont. She brought great estates as her dowry, including the countships of Saint-Pol-sur-Ternoise and Soissons in Picardy.

They had six children:

  • Charles de Bourbon, Duke of Vendôme (1489–1537), Duke of Vendôme
  • Jacques (1490–1491)
  • François (1491–1545), Count of Saint Pol and of Chaumont, Duke of Estouteville
  • Louis (1493–1557), Cardinal de Bourbon, Archbishop of Sens
  • Antoinette de Bourbon (1493–1583), married Claude, Duke of Guise, grandparents of Mary Queen of Scots
  • Louise (1495–1575), Abbess of Fontevraud

René, Duke of Alençon - His first wife was Marguerite, daughter of William of Harcourt, Count of Tancarville. He married a second time on 14 May 1488 at Toul, to Margaret of Lorraine (1463 – 1 November 1521),[1] daughter of Frederick, Count of Vaudémont and Yolande of Anjou. Margaret bore him three children:

  • Charles IV of Alençon (1489–1525)
  • Françoise of Alençon (c. 1490 – 14 September 1550, La Fleche), Duchess of Beaumont, married 1505 in Blois, François, Duke of Longueville (d. 1512), married 1513 Charles, Duke of Vendôme
  • Anne (30 October 1492 – 18 October 1562, Casale Monferrato), Lady of la Guerche, married 31 August 1508 in Blois William IX Paleologos, Marquess of Montferrat

John III of Navarre - He and Queen Catherine of Navarre were parents to thirteen children—other sources point to fourteen:[2]:76

  • Anne of Navarre (19 May 1492 – 15 August 1532).
  • Magdalena of Navarre (29 March 1494 – May 1504).
  • Catherine of Navarre (1495 – November 1532). Abbess of the Trinity at Caen.
  • Joan of Navarre (15 June 1496 – last mentioned in November 1496).
  • Quiteria of Navarre (1499 – September/October 1536). Abbess at Montivilliers.
  • A stillborn son in 1500.
  • Andrew Phoebus of Navarre (14 October 1501 – 17 April 1503).
  • Henry II of Navarre (18 April 1503 – 25 May 1555).[3] His daughter Jeanne (Joan III) was mother of Henry IV of France
  • Buenaventura of Navarre (14 July 1505 – 1510/1511).
  • Martin of Navarre (c. 1506 – last mentioned in 1512).
  • Francis of Navarre (1508 – last mentioned in 1512).
  • Charles of Navarre (12 December 1510 – September 1528). Took part in the Siege of Naples during the War of the League of Cognac but was captured. Died while still held as a prisoner of war.
  • Isabella of Navarre (1513/1514 – last mentioned in 1555). Married Rene I, Viscount of Rohan.

Charles, Count of Angoulême - He married the 11-year-old, Louise of Savoy, daughter of Philip the Landless and Margaret of Bourbon, on 16 February 1488.[2] They had two children:

  • Marguerite d'Angoulême (11 April 1492 – 21 December 1549)[3]
  • François d'Angoulême (12 September 1494 – 31 March 1547), who became King of France as Francis I.[4]

[His illegitimate children are lacking in clear dates]

Claude, Duke of Guise, married Antoinette de Bourbon, daughter of François, Count of Vendôme and Marie de Luxembourg, on 9 June 1513; they had 12 children:

  • Mary of Guise (1515–1560); married King James V of Scotland and had issue, including Mary, Queen of Scots.
  • Francis, Duke of Guise (1519–1563)
  • Louise of Guise (10 January 1520, Bar-le-Duc – 18 October 1542); married Charles I, Duke of Arschot on 20 February 1541.
  • Renée of Guise (2 September 1522 – 3 April 1602), Abbess of St. Pierre, Reims.
  • Charles of Guise (1524–1574), Duke of Chevreuse, Archbishop of Reims, and Cardinal of Lorraine.
  • Claude, Duke of Aumale (1526–1573)
  • Louis I, Cardinal of Guise (1527–1578)
  • Philip of Guise (3 September 1529, Joinville – 24 September 1529, Joinville)
  • Peter of Guise (b. 3 April 1530, Joinville); died young.
  • Antoinette of Guise (31 August 1531, Joinville – 6 March 1561, Joinville), Abbess of Faremoutier
  • Francis of Guise (18 April 1534, Joinville – 6 March 1563), Grand Prior of the Order of Malta.
  • René, Marquis of Elbeuf (1536–1566)

Renée of France - With Ercole II she had five children:

  • 1. Anna d'Este
    16 November 1531 – 1607
    First husband: Francis, Duke of Guise
    Second husband: Jacques de Savoie, 2nd Duc de Nemours

  • 2. Alfonso II, Duke of Ferrara
    22 November 1533 – 1597

  • 3. Lucrezia Maria d'Este
    16 December 1535 – 1598
    married Francesco Maria II della Rovere, Duke of Urbino.

  • 4. Eleonore d'Este

  • 5. Luigi d'Este
    21 December 1538 – 1586
    Bishop of Ferrara and Archbishop of Auch

Renee was widowed in 1559. As a result of being on bad terms with her son, Alfonso, she returned to France in 1560 and settled in Montargis, where she then died on 12 June 1574.

René of Savoy - On 28 January 1501, he married Anne Lascaris, countess of Tende (1487–1554), daughter of Jean-Antoine de Lascaris-Vintimille and of Isabelle d'Anglure, widow of Louis de Clermont-Lodève, with whom he had the following children :

  • Claude of Savoy (1507, mort le 23 avril 1569), who followed ;
  • Madeleine (c. 1510 - c. 1586), married constable Anne de Montmorency (1492 † 1567) ;
  • Marguerite (died 15 July 1591), married Antoine of Luxembourg, count of Brienne;
  • Honorat II of Savoy, who followed;
  • Isabelle, in 1527 married René of Batarnay, count of Bouchage

    Count of Ventimiglia, Jean-Antoine de Lascaris, gave Chateau Montfort in La Colle sur Loup as dowry to his daughter Anne who married René of Savoy. Chateau Montfort

M 00 00 00 00 01 02 02 02 03 04 05 05 06 13 17 27 28 29 30 33
O 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
M 36 38 39 44 44 47 48 48 50 51 52 52 54 57 62 64 64 67 69 74
O 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40

F 00 10 22 23 29 37 37 40 40 41 43 44 44 45 56
O 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15
F 57 60 63 69 69 70 73 76 76 79 79 80 81 90
O 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29

M, 00 - 74, Median 33/36
LQ 4/5
HQ 51/52

F 00 - 90, Median 56
LQ 40
HQ 73

Not counting those dying before 20:

M 27 28 29 30 33 36 38 39 44 44 47 48 48
O 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13
M 50 51 52 52 54 57 62 64 64 67 69 74
O 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

F 22 23 29 37 37 40 40 41 43 44 44 45 56 57
O 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14
F 60 63 69 69 70 73 76 76 79 79 80 81 90
O 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27

M, 27-74, Median 48
LQ 38
HQ 62

F, 22-90, Median 57
LQ 40/41
HQ 73/76

Proportion dying before 20

M 15/40 (37,5%)
F 2/29 (c. 7%)
A 17/69 (24%)

I cannot exclude that the overall mortality for female children and thus both sexes could have been higher, since it may be daughters could have been left unmentioned in certain types of family annals, unless surviving a certain age.

But on the other hand, taking this at face value, it might also be women were more robust, simple as that.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Camille de Lellis

PS. As usual, I rely on the wikipedia. Sometimes looking up more than one article./HGL

PPS. The numerals after M or F do line up with those denoting order in which the people come in age at death - if you take them from this blog and copy paste to a notepad, where each numeral has same width. Here, the numeral 0 is for instance wider than certain others./HGL

Thursday, July 14, 2016

Do not confuse

THIS blog, Φιλολoγικά/Philologica


Since the guy seems to have had another site shut down, I'll not complain. But we are not the same site.

Mine here is philological, both secular and Biblical. His is Apologetical.

Where I am strictly Apologetic is on three other of my blogs:

Creation vs. Evolution, somewhere else, Great Bishop of Geneva!

I have seen worse attempts at using my urls with a small difference than this one./HGL